you can't sleep in the LAB?!

[grp]

I was sleeping at the study room(you know the little room around the stairs)
last night around 6:00am, since I was doing a long assignment that was due
yesterday. I've made my *bed* with 3 chairs and slept fully-clothed, more
like a NAP. However, the caretaking guy walked in and saw me lying there
woke me up and told me that *you can't sleep in BA*... I was kinda pissed,
coz imagine working until 5:00am and woke up by a guy at 6:00am.. how
annoying is that? Isn't that BA is 24/7 available for CS students? and I was
barely lying on the chairs, nothing more than that...what if I am not
sleeping at all? just lying there?

I pretend I didn't hear him, and kept on sleeping, he went out but later
returned in, woke me up AGAIN and was like "ok, this time I'll let you
sleep, but don't take it as a practice, blah, blah blah"

Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on the
chairs in BA!?

[Henry Zaccak]

Is this the same caretaker that I caught stealing from the CSSU office?


Cheers,
Henry

Post by grp
I was sleeping at the study room(you know the little room around the stairs)
last night around 6:00am, since I was doing a long assignment that was due
yesterday. I've made my *bed* with 3 chairs and slept fully-clothed, more
like a NAP. However, the caretaking guy walked in and saw me lying there
woke me up and told me that *you can't sleep in BA*... I was kinda pissed,
coz imagine working until 5:00am and woke up by a guy at 6:00am.. how
annoying is that? Isn't that BA is 24/7 available for CS students? and I was
barely lying on the chairs, nothing more than that...what if I am not
sleeping at all? just lying there?
I pretend I didn't hear him, and kept on sleeping, he went out but later
returned in, woke me up AGAIN and was like "ok, this time I'll let you
sleep, but don't take it as a practice, blah, blah blah"
Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on the
chairs in BA!?

...

[grp]

it was the guy working yesterday morning at 6:00am, don't remember his face,
I was very sleepy.

BTW, he even threated me that he'll take all my stuffs to the caretake
office, since I left my stuffs all in the computer lab b2210, and he seemed
to be very sure that those stuffs were mine. Hmmm...maybe next time I 'll
have to keep my stuffs with me when I was sleeping... shxt,

now the question is , if there's such a policy that *you can't sleep in BA,
or leave your stuffs in the LAB?*
"Henry Zaccak" <***@gmail.NOSPAMcom> wrote in message news:***@cdf.toronto.edu...

[Phil Mach]

I think I know who you mean.
This caretaker seems to be on sort of a power trip, he just seems like
telling people off. I doubt there's a policy that says you can't sleep in
BA, since:
1) It is a CS room, for CS students. Unless you are disturbing the work
of others, I don't see why you couldn't.
2) As a student, you PAY for the use of these things, and I don't think
the caretaker has a right to kick you out of a place you pay for.

Phil

Post by grp
it was the guy working yesterday morning at 6:00am, don't remember his
face, I was very sleepy.
BTW, he even threated me that he'll take all my stuffs to the caretake
office, since I left my stuffs all in the computer lab b2210, and he
seemed to be very sure that those stuffs were mine. Hmmm...maybe next time
I 'll have to keep my stuffs with me when I was sleeping... shxt,
now the question is , if there's such a policy that *you can't sleep in
BA, or leave your stuffs in the LAB?*

[grp]

hmmm... looks like a lot of them really like to take advantages over
students, as I observed, they sometimes acted like they have the super
power.... ain't they don't get paid well?! why some of them have such
attitudes?!

I don't drink anything, eats nothing at all in the lab, and don't make any
mess, but some of them just seem to really like act up.

Post by Phil Mach
I think I know who you mean.
This caretaker seems to be on sort of a power trip, he just seems like
telling people off. I doubt there's a policy that says you can't sleep in
1) It is a CS room, for CS students. Unless you are disturbing the work
of others, I don't see why you couldn't.
2) As a student, you PAY for the use of these things, and I don't think
the caretaker has a right to kick you out of a place you pay for.
Phil

[v***@gmail.com]

I think it is ok to leave stuff (your bag, etc.) in the lab for a
while, but not overnight. The caretakers probably have instructions to
clear out the place every night or something.

" Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on
the
chairs in BA!? " - Ah, just lying on the chair, not sleeping ? That is
murky territory. Well, there probably should be a policy disallowing
people to sleep on a cluster of chairs, mainly because it is too
uncomfortable. But, then, we'll have too many policies.

Robarts library is renowned for some very cozy sleeping places, as are
many other obnoxious places on campus.

[Aurino Correia]

I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them since you have no
idea if life has treated them badly, or if certain things have occurred in
their life that caused them not to be able to get a further education (I
know people like that). Because you or your parents may have a lot of
money, and janitors dont, does not mean that you are any better than them.
Infact, people with less money are usually the ones who are more willing to
help another human being out, while rich people tend to be pompous assholes
who dont give a shit about others. We are not in high school anymore,
there is no reason to put them down like that.

And yes, I believe you can sleep in BA as long as you are not disturbing
anyone. Do some of them have attitudes? Of course! They are humans. I
dont know about you guys, but things are not going well for me, I can be a
real prick too :P

Post by grp
hmmm... looks like a lot of them really like to take advantages over
students, as I observed, they sometimes acted like they have the super
power.... ain't they don't get paid well?! why some of them have such
attitudes?!
I don't drink anything, eats nothing at all in the lab, and don't make any
mess, but some of them just seem to really like act up.

Post by Phil Mach
I think I know who you mean.
This caretaker seems to be on sort of a power trip, he just seems like
telling people off. I doubt there's a policy that says you can't sleep in
1) It is a CS room, for CS students. Unless you are disturbing the work
of others, I don't see why you couldn't.
2) As a student, you PAY for the use of these things, and I don't think
the caretaker has a right to kick you out of a place you pay for.
Phil

...

[Mike C]

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them since you have no
idea if life has treated them badly, or if certain things have occurred in
their life that caused them not to be able to get a further education (I
know people like that). Because you or your parents may have a lot of
money, and janitors dont, does not mean that you are any better than them.
Infact, people with less money are usually the ones who are more willing to
help another human being out, while rich people tend to be pompous assholes
who dont give a shit about others. We are not in high school anymore,
there is no reason to put them down like that.

...

Sigh. You could have made your point without going into heartbreaking
liberal whining. No ones job makes them more "better" than anyone else,
but no one has sugested this. The janitor is being paid a salary to
perform a task, since we are a part of the funding source for their
salary, it entitles us to at very least be treated with respect. Which
they all do, except this one jackass.

It's more of a boss-worker relationship than a
rich-kid-at-UofT-mocking-the-proletariat-janitor thing.

[Allan P]

I don't agree with Aurino's language either, its quite simply
unnecessary but I agree with what he is trying to say. As for Mike C, I
think the janitor did a good job asking you not to smoke on the balcony,
as a non-smoker I hate it when I see someone smoking there which means I
can't go outside without breathing in the toxic smoke. You may be
smoking "outside" but its still on school property where students should
have the right not to inhale that stuff and you should have the courtesy
to simply go somewhere else to smoke where it won't bother others.

Post by Mike C

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them since you have no
idea if life has treated them badly, or if certain things have occurred in
their life that caused them not to be able to get a further education (I
know people like that). Because you or your parents may have a lot of
money, and janitors dont, does not mean that you are any better than them.
Infact, people with less money are usually the ones who are more willing to
help another human being out, while rich people tend to be pompous assholes
who dont give a shit about others. We are not in high school anymore,
there is no reason to put them down like that.

Sigh. You could have made your point without going into heartbreaking
liberal whining. No ones job makes them more "better" than anyone else,
but no one has sugested this. The janitor is being paid a salary to
perform a task, since we are a part of the funding source for their
salary, it entitles us to at very least be treated with respect. Which
they all do, except this one jackass.
It's more of a boss-worker relationship than a
rich-kid-at-UofT-mocking-the-proletariat-janitor thing.

...

[Mike C]

Post by Allan P
I don't agree with Aurino's language either, its quite simply
unnecessary but I agree with what he is trying to say. As for Mike C, I
think the janitor did a good job asking you not to smoke on the balcony,
as a non-smoker I hate it when I see someone smoking there which means I
can't go outside without breathing in the toxic smoke. You may be
smoking "outside" but its still on school property where students should
have the right not to inhale that stuff and you should have the courtesy
to simply go somewhere else to smoke where it won't bother others.

...

We've been over this, and I'm not discussing it again. Someone smoking
outside poses a negligible health risk to anyone near by. Much less than
pollution from cars or drinking Toronto tap water.

And I would be interested in knowing what you do on the balcony. I hear
it makes for a great picnic spot, maybe you have another suggestion for
balcony activities?

Smoking outdoors is still legal in Ontario, so only a University rule
could ban smoking there. You might notice that the sign doesn't cite any
University or municipal by-laws, so it's meaningless.

[v***@gmail.com]

This looks like a good opportunity to pitch in my "Jackass Theory".
Here goes:

...

// everyone will have their own 'nice list' and 'jackass list'
ArrayList myNiceList = new ArrayList();
ArrayList myJackAssList = new ArrayList();

Person person = new Person("Charles Montgomery Burns");

// add the person to the appropriate list
if (personIsAJackass)
myJackAssList.add(person);
else
myNiceList.add(person);

...

[Albert Yu Cheong LAI]

Post by Mike C
We've been over this, and I'm not discussing it again. Someone smoking
outside poses a negligible health risk to anyone near by. Much less
than pollution from cars or drinking Toronto tap water.

I am not over this. I don't care about the health argument. I use
the disturbance argument. The smoke smells terrible. May you fart in
the balcony? May you fart every five seconds for ten minutes in the
balcony? I'm sure the laws allow it, but I'm also sure no one will
mention the laws; it is a basic courtesy to not produce a large amount
of fart gas, or smoke gas, whenever and wherever non-farters and
non-cigarette-addicts don't appreciate it. Indoor vs Outdoor is
irrelevant: it is just as unacceptable to mass-production-fart at a
bus stop outdoor. (One small fart or one breath of smoke is certainly
sympathizable, but as a cigarette addict you certainly won't stop
after just one.)

Cars are just as bad but they are on the roads and far away from our
balcony. You are welcome to fart and smoke by the roads and far away
from the balcony, like cars do.

[Mike C]

Post by Albert Yu Cheong LAI

Post by Mike C
We've been over this, and I'm not discussing it again. Someone smoking
outside poses a negligible health risk to anyone near by. Much less
than pollution from cars or drinking Toronto tap water.

I am not over this. I don't care about the health argument. I use
the disturbance argument. The smoke smells terrible. May you fart in
the balcony? May you fart every five seconds for ten minutes in the
balcony? I'm sure the laws allow it, but I'm also sure no one will
mention the laws; it is a basic courtesy to not produce a large amount
of fart gas, or smoke gas, whenever and wherever non-farters and
non-cigarette-addicts don't appreciate it. Indoor vs Outdoor is
irrelevant: it is just as unacceptable to mass-production-fart at a
bus stop outdoor. (One small fart or one breath of smoke is certainly
sympathizable, but as a cigarette addict you certainly won't stop
after just one.)

...

Great, another flame war.

Why I will continue to smoke on the patio, and feel no remorse it is the
lack of legitmate smoking space. Walking 30 feet away from the building
is not acceptable to me. If I were smoking inside your office, I would
buy the discomfort argument, but not outdoors. Smoke rises upward, any
amount that ends up reaching you while standing beside me is not enough
to complain about.

If that minute level of smoke inhalation bothers you, and its enough to
justify banning outdoor smoking, you know what bothers me, talking! I
hate being in the CDF labs trying to get some coding done, and there are
ten idiots on cell phones chattering away as though they are in their
own universes, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else. Since I
find this discomforting, maybe I should write my MPP and pressure the
provincial government to take on a vicious anti-talking campaign. But I
won't, because I am aware being "discomforted" is part of life.

If there was a legitimate area I could smoke (ie, a smoking room), I
would stop smoking on the balcony. This is unlikely since our provincial
government has decided that designated smoking areas encourage smoking.

I apologize for your discomfort, it's not my intention, it's merely a
byproduct of a Liberal agenda.

[grape]

lol, dude, agree with you on *talking*.

There are constantly people around the library, the BA study room who like
todo a group meeting there, they careless about others, I meant.. it's not
even a moderated talking.. it's a group chating&laughing! and there are
constantly bunch of people who never turns their laptop beeps off in the
study room/library, for every minutes, his fancy laptop with KDE music
theme will grumble a few sounds, and he seemed very enjoy disturbing
people so that everyone knows he 's using KDE. But this is not the most
annoying person, I rememberred one guy was playing game in the study room
with his volumne turned into FULL! I don't see why, do they have a hearing
problem? or lack the money to buy a pair of earphones?

Post by Mike C
If that minute level of smoke

inhalation bothers you, and its enough to

Post by Mike C
justify banning outdoor smoking, you know what bothers me, talking! I
hate being in the CDF labs trying to get some coding done, and there are
ten idiots on cell phones chattering away as though they are in their
own universes, with absolutely no consideration for anyone else. Since I
find this discomforting, maybe I should write my MPP and pressure the
provincial government to take on a vicious anti-talking campaign. But I
won't, because I am aware being "discomforted" is part of life.
If there was a legitimate area I could smoke (ie, a smoking room), I
would stop smoking on the balcony. This is unlikely since our provincial
government has decided that designated smoking areas encourage smoking.
I apologize for your discomfort, it's not my intention, it's merely a
byproduct of a Liberal agenda.

...

[Allan P]

Suppose smoke has absolutely no risk to your health, would it be ok even
though you have many here and in the previous discussion telling you its
annoying? How about if someone outside on the balcony while you were
smoking recited every William Hung song right next to you? You smoking
there (regardless of the rules) makes it less accessible to others who
hate smoke but want to use the balcony.

As for what I did on the balcony, I had group meetings with non-smokers.

Post by Mike C
We've been over this, and I'm not discussing it again. Someone smoking
outside poses a negligible health risk to anyone near by. Much less than
pollution from cars or drinking Toronto tap water.
And I would be interested in knowing what you do on the balcony. I hear
it makes for a great picnic spot, maybe you have another suggestion for
balcony activities?

[Tristan Miller]

Greetings.

Post by Mike C

Post by Allan P
I don't agree with Aurino's language either, its quite simply
unnecessary but I agree with what he is trying to say. As for Mike C, I
think the janitor did a good job asking you not to smoke on the balcony,
as a non-smoker I hate it when I see someone smoking there which means I
can't go outside without breathing in the toxic smoke. You may be
smoking "outside" but its still on school property where students should
have the right not to inhale that stuff and you should have the courtesy
to simply go somewhere else to smoke where it won't bother others.

We've been over this, and I'm not discussing it again. Someone smoking
outside poses a negligible health risk to anyone near by. Much less than
pollution from cars or drinking Toronto tap water.

...

I don't care if it's a health risk or not; I and many (if not most) other
non-smokers find cigarette smoke to be unpleasant and even nauseous.

Post by Mike C
And I would be interested in knowing what you do on the balcony. I hear
it makes for a great picnic spot, maybe you have another suggestion for
balcony activities?

Yeah, how about getting a breath of fresh air?

Post by Mike C
Smoking outdoors is still legal in Ontario, so only a University rule
could ban smoking there. You might notice that the sign doesn't cite any
University or municipal by-laws, so it's meaningless.

Interesting logic. Do you disregard all signs that are not accompanied by
a reference to criminal code? Race right through red lights and stop
signs? Park whereever you please? Murder people at random whereever
there is no signpost explicitly forbidding homicide?

Regards,
Tristan

[Mike C]

Post by Tristan Miller
Interesting logic. Do you disregard all signs that are not accompanied by
a reference to criminal code? Race right through red lights and stop
signs? Park whereever you please? Murder people at random whereever
there is no signpost explicitly forbidding homicide?

My point was that I'm honestly not sure if smoking on the balcony is
legal or not. If the sign quoted a by-law, it might motivate people to
stop smoking there. A sign without a citation is simply a polite request.

[Aurino Correia]

I dont see why it would be illegal to smoke on the balcony (unless the
university got a by-law on that). I guess it really just boils down to
courtosy for others. If you are alone or with people that dont mind, I dont
see why it would be a problem.

Post by Mike C

Post by Tristan Miller
Interesting logic. Do you disregard all signs that are not accompanied by
a reference to criminal code? Race right through red lights and stop
signs? Park whereever you please? Murder people at random whereever
there is no signpost explicitly forbidding homicide?

My point was that I'm honestly not sure if smoking on the balcony is
legal or not. If the sign quoted a by-law, it might motivate people to
stop smoking there. A sign without a citation is simply a polite request.

...

[Aurino Correia]

oops...meant "courtesy "

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont see why it would be illegal to smoke on the balcony (unless the
university got a by-law on that). I guess it really just boils down to
courtosy for others. If you are alone or with people that dont mind, I dont
see why it would be a problem.

Post by Mike C

Post by Tristan Miller
Interesting logic. Do you disregard all signs that are not

accompanied

Post by Aurino Correia
by

Post by Mike C

Post by Tristan Miller
a reference to criminal code? Race right through red lights and stop
signs? Park whereever you please? Murder people at random whereever
there is no signpost explicitly forbidding homicide?

My point was that I'm honestly not sure if smoking on the balcony is
legal or not. If the sign quoted a by-law, it might motivate people to
stop smoking there. A sign without a citation is simply a polite request.

[David Warde-Farley]

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont see why it would be illegal to smoke on the balcony (unless the
university got a by-law on that).

There is.

http://www.utoronto.ca/govcncl/pap/policies/smoking.html#_Toc468768772

[Mike C]

Post by David Warde-Farley

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont see why it would be illegal to smoke on the balcony (unless the
university got a by-law on that).

There is.
http://www.utoronto.ca/govcncl/pap/policies/smoking.html#_Toc468768772

[quote]
C. Residences

University residences will establish their own smoking policies, which
should be based on the following criteria:

2. residents in single rooms (and their guests) may smoke in the room,
provided the door is closed; and

3. residents in double or multiple rooms (and their guests) may not
smoke in the room unless the other resident or residents agree;
[/quote]


Cleary these policies are out of date! Because (gasp) they seem to make
sense, and are consistent with the ideas of personal choice.

[Aurino Correia]

Hmm...was not aware. Does not apply to me because i dont smoke.

Post by David Warde-Farley

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont see why it would be illegal to smoke on the balcony (unless the
university got a by-law on that).

There is.
http://www.utoronto.ca/govcncl/pap/policies/smoking.html#_Toc468768772
--
David Warde-Farley
CSSU Vice-President
david dot warde dot farley at utoronto.ca

[grp]

I'm a non-smoker and hate smoking too, but I wonder the only reason they put
a sign on the belcony is becoz caretakers don't wanna pick up the butts :)

I don't mind smokers outside as long as they don't puff smokes onto my face.
No smoking indoor is a surething!

Post by Allan P
I don't agree with Aurino's language either, its quite simply

[Aurino Correia]

I apologize for my language. It was inappropriate. I guess I hit one of
those stressful bumps in the semester that all CS students seem to face on a
regular basis.

As for Mike, I agree that since our tuition is paying for the janitor's
salaries that we should be treated with respect. Every janitor I have
encountered has been nice, I guess I have yet to meat this dreaded fellow
that lurks through Bahen in the early hours of the morning. I thought that
when grp said that "they sometimes acted like they have the super
power.... ain't they don't get paid well?! ", I thought what he was trying
to say was that they don't get paid much, so they should not think they call
the shots. In retrospect, what he may have been asking was don't they get
paid well for their services. The phrase "ain't they don't get paid
well?!" threw me off. I originally thought it was supposed to say "and they
don't get paid well" (which would degrade them); but what he might have
meant to say was "don't they get paid well?" (which seems to have been what
he meant). The typo threw me off :-P

Once again, I'm sorry.

Post by Allan P
I don't agree with Aurino's language either, its quite simply
unnecessary but I agree with what he is trying to say. As for Mike C, I
think the janitor did a good job asking you not to smoke on the balcony,
as a non-smoker I hate it when I see someone smoking there which means I
can't go outside without breathing in the toxic smoke. You may be
smoking "outside" but its still on school property where students should
have the right not to inhale that stuff and you should have the courtesy
to simply go somewhere else to smoke where it won't bother others.

Post by Mike C

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them since you have no
idea if life has treated them badly, or if certain things have occurred in
their life that caused them not to be able to get a further education (I
know people like that). Because you or your parents may have a lot of
money, and janitors dont, does not mean that you are any better than them.
Infact, people with less money are usually the ones who are more willing to
help another human being out, while rich people tend to be pompous assholes
who dont give a shit about others. We are not in high school anymore,
there is no reason to put them down like that.

Sigh. You could have made your point without going into heartbreaking
liberal whining. No ones job makes them more "better" than anyone else,
but no one has sugested this. The janitor is being paid a salary to
perform a task, since we are a part of the funding source for their
salary, it entitles us to at very least be treated with respect. Which
they all do, except this one jackass.
It's more of a boss-worker relationship than a
rich-kid-at-UofT-mocking-the-proletariat-janitor thing.

...

[Mike C]

Post by Mike C
No ones job makes them more "better" than anyone else,

Mikey write good!

[grp]

make fun?! I thought we-students are inferior insects in some of those
ganitors' eyes... especially when I was in the 1st year.

I'd be very happy if I were the *rich* guy you just described, thus I could
no longer need those OSAP&UTAPS and stop eating crappy foods in china-town.

whose life is more miserable? I think most computer science students are
much worse than them, that not enough sleep, stressful life, lots of us live
in cheap apartment with rats and cockroaches.

Then who's heartless is very obvious, the guy who woke me up uneccessarily
at 6:00am!


p.s: looks like my life is miserable enough that I should turn into an
axxhole like that ganitor, and starts to harass each one of you in the LAB,
*grin*.

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them

[Aurino Correia]

When I said "you", in my post, I did not mean you necessarily. What I meant
instead of "you" was the word "someone" (as "in because 'someone' has a
better job"). Not you particularly, because as we all know, us students
carry a steep debt with us. Also, it seems like I confused what you were
trying to say in your original post. please read my last post previous to
this one for clarification. Im sorry I confused what you meant.

ps. Food in Chinatown is not bad. :-) . And is that an evil grin :-P

Post by grp
make fun?! I thought we-students are inferior insects in some of those
ganitors' eyes... especially when I was in the 1st year.
I'd be very happy if I were the *rich* guy you just described, thus I could
no longer need those OSAP&UTAPS and stop eating crappy foods in china-town.
whose life is more miserable? I think most computer science students are
much worse than them, that not enough sleep, stressful life, lots of us live
in cheap apartment with rats and cockroaches.
Then who's heartless is very obvious, the guy who woke me up uneccessarily
at 6:00am!
p.s: looks like my life is miserable enough that I should turn into an
axxhole like that ganitor, and starts to harass each one of you in the LAB,
*grin*.

Post by Aurino Correia
I dont really think you should be making fun of janitors because they dont
get paid well. You don't have a reason to be judging them

...

[Mike C]

Post by Henry Zaccak
Is this the same caretaker that I caught stealing from the CSSU office?
Cheers,
Henry

Probably.

Most of the janitors are pretty cool, but theres this one douche who
thinks hes the savior of Bahen. For example once he gave me and a
certain unnamed friend of mine trouble for smoking on the balcony.

I mean, I can understand it being against the rules (as chairs are for
sitting) but its really outside a janitors work responsibility. If its
the same janitor that were all talking about, the guy is just a dick.
Ignore him and he'll go way, if he threatens to call the cops, just
laugh at him.

"we got a 10-19 in bahen, kids sleeping on chairs, all units respond, over"

[Aurino Correia]

LOL, that would be the greatest thing ever if I heard that on a police
scanner.

Post by Mike C
"we got a 10-19 in bahen, kids sleeping on chairs, all units respond, over"

[Lloyd Smith]

Post by grp
I was sleeping at the study room(you know the little room around the stairs)
last night around 6:00am, since I was doing a long assignment that was due
yesterday. I've made my *bed* with 3 chairs and slept fully-clothed, more

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Post by grp
Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on the
chairs in BA!?

Yes, the University has standard policies against sleeping in buildings or
locations not intended for that purpose (i.e. not residences). One doesn't
have to drywall off the underside of a stairwell and wire a microwave into
the light fixture to be in violation. (An urban legend I've heard on more
than one university, though not listed in either of these references:

http://www.ecampustours.com/campuslife/urbanlegendsoncollegecampuses.aspx
http://www.snopes.com/college/ )

Enforcement of these rules is at the staff member's discretion; nodding
off during a lecture on print formatting is tolerable, (but snoring would
probably cross the line :)

It seems to me that the custodian's actions were correct and justifiable.

He let you sleep all night, then rousted you at the start of the day, he
had no way of knowing if you had 1 hour of sleep or 6.



Regards,
lloyd

[Eric Liu]

It's not like we sleep there cause we enjoy it. We're there late doing
assignment and what not. I myself have had to sleep in BA on one a many
occassion. Most of the time, it is because the TTC has stopped running and
walking home isn't an option. While the school shouldn't allow people to
live in BA, it should be tacitly understood that CS students use the space
for rest when they are tired of working and cannot go home.

Post by grp
I was sleeping at the study room(you know the little room around the
stairs) last night around 6:00am, since I was doing a long assignment that
was due yesterday. I've made my *bed* with 3 chairs and slept
fully-clothed, more like a NAP. However, the caretaking guy walked in and
saw me lying there woke me up and told me that *you can't sleep in BA*... I
was kinda pissed, coz imagine working until 5:00am and woke up by a guy at
6:00am.. how annoying is that? Isn't that BA is 24/7 available for CS
students? and I was barely lying on the chairs, nothing more than
that...what if I am not sleeping at all? just lying there?
I pretend I didn't hear him, and kept on sleeping, he went out but later
returned in, woke me up AGAIN and was like "ok, this time I'll let you
sleep, but don't take it as a practice, blah, blah blah"
Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on the
chairs in BA!?

...

[Henry Zaccak]

I've lost track of times that I have slept on campus.... Robarts tables,
Robarts wooden benches, Robarts Staff lounge, BA's CSSU, BA's lounge,
BA's study room, BA's CDF labs,... I'm sure there are more occasions
where I had to take a power nap at 6AM or so.... ohh the good times.

Henry

Post by Eric Liu
It's not like we sleep there cause we enjoy it. We're there late doing
assignment and what not. I myself have had to sleep in BA on one a many
occassion. Most of the time, it is because the TTC has stopped running and
walking home isn't an option. While the school shouldn't allow people to
live in BA, it should be tacitly understood that CS students use the space
for rest when they are tired of working and cannot go home.

Post by grp
I was sleeping at the study room(you know the little room around the
stairs) last night around 6:00am, since I was doing a long assignment that
was due yesterday. I've made my *bed* with 3 chairs and slept
fully-clothed, more like a NAP. However, the caretaking guy walked in and
saw me lying there woke me up and told me that *you can't sleep in BA*... I
was kinda pissed, coz imagine working until 5:00am and woke up by a guy at
6:00am.. how annoying is that? Isn't that BA is 24/7 available for CS
students? and I was barely lying on the chairs, nothing more than
that...what if I am not sleeping at all? just lying there?
I pretend I didn't hear him, and kept on sleeping, he went out but later
returned in, woke me up AGAIN and was like "ok, this time I'll let you
sleep, but don't take it as a practice, blah, blah blah"
Now I am wondering if there's such a policy? that you can't *lie* on the
chairs in BA!?

...

[Mike C]

Post by Henry Zaccak
I've lost track of times that I have slept on campus.... Robarts tables,
Robarts wooden benches, Robarts Staff lounge, BA's CSSU, BA's lounge,
BA's study room, BA's CDF labs,... I'm sure there are more occasions
where I had to take a power nap at 6AM or so.... ohh the good times.
Henry

I remember my first all nighter, before an exam in first year falling
asleep under one of the desks in the lab. (sniffle) oh the memories